Blind Bidding Issue

Unsure how a rule works or just need some clarification??
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Blind Bidding Issue

Post by braven112 » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:19 am

I heard back from MFL today regarding this weeks blind bidding.
Hi Brandon -

On the Setup > Salary Cap Setup > General Salary Cap Setup you choose to apply 50% of the players salary when dropped. This is not included until the player is actually dropped, which resulted in your exceeding of the salary cap.

- Julie
I then asked about BTP's bid
Brandon -

The system processes the blind bidding, so a player will not be awarded if that would exceed the blind bidding balance. Once they are processed, at that time your dropped player penalty is applied, not before this time frame. Therefore an owners bids can be within the salary cap range and they are awarded. The penalty is not included in this process an adjustment, which in this case exceeded the cap.


For Yates the reason was:
Add Yates, T.J. HOU QB for $2025000.00 and drop Gray, Jonas FA* RB (Error - Transaction Would Create An Invalid Roster For Bring the PainHard League Salary Cap of $45000000.00 Exceeded ($45945263.50)

The site does not include any other dropped players during that waiver period as they are not yet dropped/processed.
Basically they are saying that the system doesn't take into account the salary cap hit for dropping a player it assumes you are going to get 100% of your cap room back. But it doesn't actually give you your money back from dropping the player until all other bids are processed. I *think* the explanation makes sense to me but the logic MFL uses to process blind bids doesn't.

It doesn't take into account the fact that we also have a Hard Salary cap and it states:
Salary Cap Type: Hard limit - only a commissioner-initiated transaction may exceed the salary cap.

Obviously we just proved that that explanation isn't 100% true but they didn't address that when I asked the about it.

The first transaction to process is always going to be the one with the highest bid. In this case it was Bring the Pains bid for Keenum where Manning is dropped. It then goes through each bid and check to see if there is enough cap room to add the player.

In the case of Wabbits it didn't add in the salary cap adjustments until after the players were dropped, despite the fact that we also have a hard cap.

Of course this isn't considered a bug by MFL but they did forward this to one of their dev's as a feature request. Given that we've had the same rules for the last 7+ years and they are saying that its always worked like this we'll have to let the bids stand and in the offseason we can see what, if anything, we want to do to account for this.

In the meantime if this happens again this offseason make sure to get your roster under the salary cap limit as soon as you can as our settings won't let you submit a lineup with an invalid roster/salary cap.
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Re: Blind Bidding Issue

Post by bonscott » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:03 am

Weird we haven't seen it before but I'd guess we haven't as I think it would take the unique circumstance of two bids that take you right up against the cap, which sounds like happened in both cases. So sounds like a rare occurrence, thankfully. I also can't recall so many crazy high bids on scrubs taking teams up to their cap limits as there has been this year. So again, perhaps unique to this season.

As for what happened with the bidding, I'd be inclined to correct the bids to be what they should be and swap the players around. I guess that opens a can of worms of possibly needing to do that again in future weeks though.

As for long term...i guess if you want to allows such bids and winnings to stand then the rule would be you need to get back under the cap by the time you submit your lineup. Or set a deadline of Sunday 1pm to get your cap in order or else the last player you acquired will be dropped. It's what I do in my personal league for IR violations. You can violate all you want during the week but if you are still in violation after the kickoff of that players game then I will drop that player from your team.

That's the cleanest way to do things with the least amount of manual work for the commish and has a definite penalty for violating the rule.
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Re: Blind Bidding Issue

Post by Wascawy Wabbits » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:06 am

:dunno:

Just for the record, I would've had no issues w/ BTP getting awarded Yates based on Brandon's communications w/ MFL. I knew I wasn't going to have the cap space to get both Lewis and Yates. My thought process to my bids was that I had $1.5m that I could use for bidding after making a drop, so I put it all towards Lewis and had my secondary bids as Keenum and Yates, splitting that $1.5m between the two of them. Thought I'd attempt a little gamesmanship to try and block BTP from the QBs since we're competing for that final playoff spot. When I got the waivers email and ended up w/ both Lewis and Yates I was like WTF?

When I noticed it put me over the cap I was even more confused how the Yates bid even processed...
When BTP mentioned he bid higher than me it made even less sense..

I guess I will have to drop someone I hadn't planning on dropping right now :wall: :x
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Re: Blind Bidding Issue

Post by braven112 » Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:44 pm

bonscott wrote:Weird we haven't seen it before but I'd guess we haven't as I think it would take the unique circumstance of two bids that take you right up against the cap, which sounds like happened in both cases. So sounds like a rare occurrence, thankfully. I also can't recall so many crazy high bids on scrubs taking teams up to their cap limits as there has been this year. So again, perhaps unique to this season.

As for what happened with the bidding, I'd be inclined to correct the bids to be what they should be and swap the players around. I guess that opens a can of worms of possibly needing to do that again in future weeks though.

As for long term...i guess if you want to allows such bids and winnings to stand then the rule would be you need to get back under the cap by the time you submit your lineup. Or set a deadline of Sunday 1pm to get your cap in order or else the last player you acquired will be dropped. It's what I do in my personal league for IR violations. You can violate all you want during the week but if you are still in violation after the kickoff of that players game then I will drop that player from your team.

That's the cleanest way to do things with the least amount of manual work for the commish and has a definite penalty for violating the rule.
Unless we are lucky enough to have them fix it, I can't think of a better way to handle it. I really wanted to just fix it but opening that can of worms that would require manually processing waivers, which would be a nightmare. From what they said this is working as they designed so it wasn't an "error" even though it sure feels like one.

I'm still in amazement this either hasn't happened before or that we missed it if it did. But if we only have to deal with this once every 8 years I'm ok. :blunt:
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by griblets » Thu May 17, 2012 5:47 pm

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Re: Blind Bidding Issue

Post by Wascawy Wabbits » Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:53 pm

Just curious if I'm understanding everything correctly

If I had bid $1.5m for both Lewis and Yates, would both have been signed to $1.5m contracts because I had that amount available before the waivers processed, which would have put me over $~1m in cap?
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Re: Blind Bidding Issue

Post by Achon44 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:49 pm

Last thing I'll say about this. Yates should have been put back into the FA pool and locked until next week. I understand not awarding him to me, but awarding him to Wabbits goes against our rules and that's wrong. If an exception wasn't made for me seeing we all didn't understand how the process worked then an exception should not have been made for Wabbits seeing we all didn't understand how the process worked.
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