Draft Salaries

[Achon44]

Do we really need to tweak the rookie salaries every year? IMO if we have a set salary cap and we have set rookie salaries, that are comfortable, everything else should take care of itself.

[braven112]

Do we really need to tweak the rookie salaries every year? IMO if we have a set salary cap and we have set rookie salaries, that are comfortable, everything else should take care of itself.

Well IMO I think we are still very young as a league so we really don't know for sure what is the best salary structure but the 2nd example is extremley close to the base that you mentioned but is still flexible enough to change slightly as the market gets settled in. If you play around with it a bit I think you'll see that the salaries won't change much but the difference between last years salaries and this years were enormous especially for RB's so I'm not sure we've really settled in yet.

BTW I screwed up the RB salaries from what my initial intentions were. So the execl spreadsheet might not work quite as designed. I'll try to tweak that a bit and dail it in.

[Achon44]

Well IMO I think we are still very young as a league so we really don't know for sure what is the best salary structure but the 2nd example is extremley close to the base that you mentioned but is still flexible enough to change slightly as the market gets settled in.

That I totally understand. I was worried all salaries would be reviewed on a year by year basis for the existence of the league.

[braven112]

Well IMO I think we are still very young as a league so we really don't know for sure what is the best salary structure but the 2nd example is extremley close to the base that you mentioned but is still flexible enough to change slightly as the market gets settled in.

That I totally understand. I was worried all salaries would be reviewed on a year by year basis for the existence of the league.

I think we are on the same page then.

[bonscott]

Hmmm, but I thought you said that the rookies salaries would change every year?

I am confoosed.

[braven112]

Hmmm, but I thought you said that the rookies salaries would change every year?

I am confoosed.

Well they could change but they won't be reviewed every year, once we come up with the right formula to find the average salaries, we'll use that same formula every year. So we won't have to discuss it like this every year. The actual salaries themselves will change slightly based on what current player salaries do but not drastically.

Hopefully that makes more sense.

[braven112]

Also here is what the salaries in example #2 should have been:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
QB'S 3,686,905 3,076,071 2,463,333 2,142,500 1,700,357 1,443,571 1,134,524 960,000
RB'S 6,067,357 5,483,714 4,648,857 4,111,214 3,321,714 2,857,000 2,272,643 1,952,000
WR'S 3,852,143 3,535,893 3,146,488 2,896,726 2,524,821 2,286,012 1,947,619 1,745,952
TE'S 2,194,531 1,722,656 1,314,844 1,125,000 870,938 724,219 583,906 506,406
PK'S 555,714 534,822 516,429 503,929 484,643 470,714 451,429 441,071



I may not be as easy to read but here are the 1st 8 picks, anymore than that I can't post until later today.

[braven112]

Here is example #3:

Example #3


OK let me preface this example by saying I have had a few so please double check my work but I think we may have found the sweet spot (Please play around with this a little and let me know if you find any errors or have question)

Excel Version #3

I'll try my best to explain the formula. First step was to determine what the starting salary for a RB should be and I think getting the salary between the 4.5-5 million range would be ideal. I tried a few examples and found that if we took the average of the top 45 RB salaries we come up with about 4.8 million, that fits right in the desired range so I based the remaining salaries off that number. Next I needed to determine what the average roster looked like in terms of players per position. I used the numbers we have now but had to take into consideration that not all teams have 2 PK and 2 Def and obviously the "average" team would have 2 of these. Currently teams are averaging about 18 players, so this is the breakdown I came up with based on 20 man rosters:

2.91 QB's per Team
4.86 RB's per Team
5.89 WR's per Team
2.22 TE's per Team
2.00 PK's per Team
2.00 Def per Team

Since I based everything off of the top 45 RB salaries I used 9.2593 as the multiplier (45/4.86)

That left us using these ranges at each position to figure our averages for each draft spot:

QB'S 27
RB'S 45
WR'S 55
TE'S 21
PK'S 19

This formula is a sliding scale so as each pick passes the averages are omitting the top salaries from the average, so to look at the RB position pick #1 is the average of the top 45 salaries. Pick #2 is the average of the 3rd through the 48th best salary and pick #3 is the average of the 6th through the 50th salaries and so on...

Note:
If we all agree to the formula, it would be used ever year and always take an average of the top salaries to determine the rookie salaries. The actual salaries could change slightly but the formula would remain constant. Its extremely simple to update every year despite the fact that it may sound complicated.

[braven112]

Anyone have any thoughts or concerns?

[bonscott]

I'll hopefully have a chance to look at it closer tomorrow. Been hammered at work and home.

[Achon44]

Anyone have any thoughts or concerns?

[joe.commish]

I just want to be clear on the way I am looking at this... The chart example is for the first round only, right? To calculate the salary, you'd find the player's position and the draft position and that figure on the chart would be their salary? Then all 2nd round picks would be the minimum $425K? If I am right on all counts then I'd say that chart is pretty well done. I just would not want to be paying in the million range for a guy taken in Round 2.

I think I got it, just set me straight if I am off.

[braven112]

That's exactly it and we actually have one pick 1.17 that is awarded in our consolation tourney which is also at 425k, so from 1.17 on all salaries are slotted at 425k

Edit: I added that extra wording on this page to make it more clear.

http://dynastytheleague.com/rookie_sala ... ear_1.html

[bonscott]

I like it overall. I'll look at the numbers closer later but on the surface they look good. Would like to hear from others but doesn't look like too many league members are checking the forum all that much right now. That should change in a few days though with the draft starting up in a couple weeks.

It's too bad this wasn't in place for this year. I feel sorry for those with top picks this year that would pay over a million more for their picks then what people will pay in the future (assuming this get proposed and passed). And I certainly wouldn't have traded away my 1.07 pick with this new system. Oh well, as I said earlier, I would support something that was good for the long term for the league even if it screwed me this year.

One question though that we had before: When does this average salary ranking take place?
I'm pretty sure in the debate on determining the average salary for the Top 5/10/15 for tagging that that would be done at the end of the regular season (end of week 13). Would rookie salaries also then be based on those same numbers or would it be taken from the average salaries right before the draft like we did here?

[irishpride8]

I like it. The salaries seem to be equal to the slotted scale we have for this draft as in terms of the runningbacks and wide recievers. I know it wont happen this year but I like the fact that I'm sitting at the 9th pick and I don't see RB or WR worthy at that spot I could pick a QB or TE at a cheaper price. The QB or TE of pick could be the first rated at their positions.

[LV Elite]

Although I havent posted yet, I've been following this thread closley and I must say I also like the latest and greatest salary slots. Good thinking and good ideas coming up with this system.......

[braven112]

One question though that we had before: When does this average salary ranking take place?
I'm pretty sure in the debate on determining the average salary for the Top 5/10/15 for tagging that that would be done at the end of the regular season (end of week 13). Would rookie salaries also then be based on those same numbers or would it be taken from the average salaries right before the draft like we did here?

That's the one thing we do have to nail down. I think the later we do it the more accurate the numbers become as they factor in the Free Agency just before the draft. Its the kind of thing where I could come out with a few examples in Feb and March so teams no approximately where they stand then take the final snap shot right before the draft. I think that might be the easiest way for me to put together as well.

The other thing I wanted to nail down was the idea of rounding the numbers up or down to the nearest 1,000, that way we don't end up with some really weir salaries.

[bonscott]

That's the one thing we do have to nail down. I think the later we do it the more accurate the numbers become as they factor in the Free Agency just before the draft. Its the kind of thing where I could come out with a few examples in Feb and March so teams no approximately where they stand then take the final snap shot right before the draft. I think that might be the easiest way for me to put together as well.

Sounds good.

The other thing I wanted to nail down was the idea of rounding the numbers up or down to the nearest 1,000, that way we don't end up with some really weir salaries.

I'd almost say round up to the nearest 100K or at least the nearest 25K which is our minimum bid raise.

But yes, rounding in general I think is needed.

[Achon44]

The other thing I wanted to nail down was the idea of rounding the numbers up or down to the nearest 1,000, that way we don't end up with some really weir salaries.

I think either way to the nearest 1,000 is perfect.

[braven112]

At first I was thinking to the nearest 25k as well, but since when we raise salaries by 10% every year we lose the nice round numbers anyway and the salaries end up messed up anyway. With that in mind I'm thinking its best to get them as close to the formula as possible.

I guess the next step is to just vote on this, I just hope no one that hasn't weighed in on it, doesn't have a concerns that they are keeping to themselves. I want to make sure that everyone is on the same page and at the very least completely understands the proposal.

[bonscott]

I guess the next step is to just vote on this, I just hope no one that hasn't weighed in on it, doesn't have a concerns that they are keeping to themselves. I want to make sure that everyone is on the same page and at the very least completely understands the proposal.

I'd suggest waiting until after the NFL draft. Since our rookie draft starts soon after (May 2nd?) most everyone will need to visit the web site and the forum so perhaps you'll get some more comments. Maybe vote on it after our rookie draft this year is over or start a vote when our draft starts. Just a thought.

[Achon44]

Maybe vote on it after our rookie draft this year is over

That's a really good idea, because then teams can compare how they drafted to how they might have drafted using the new salary scale.

[braven112]

Maybe vote on it after our rookie draft this year is over

That's a really good idea, because then teams can compare how they drafted to how they might have drafted using the new salary scale.

We'll plan for the vote around May 15th-ish or when ever our draft is over which ever comes first.

[bonscott]

So, new salary scale. Rookie draft is over, time to look at this again I'd say.

Commish, could you add the current salary scale as a new row or something to your last table so it's easy to compare to?

[braven112]

So, new salary scale. Rookie draft is over, time to look at this again I'd say.

Commish, could you add the current salary scale as a new row or something to your last table so it's easy to compare to?

http://dynastytheleague.com/salary/rook ... ples_4.xls

The one thing I would say though is if we were to add rounds to the draft I would like to see the second round picks follow the same scale so that those second round RB's and WR's are slightly higher. As we are seeing those early second round picks were pretty solid especially for the 500k range