Draft Salaries

[bonscott]

I'd agree. I think the whole scale could be shifted up a bit in price, maybe 10% or so. This may allow for the top 10 or so round 2 picks for RBs and WRs to perhaps hover around 500-600K. Then say with pick 11 or something drop them all to 425k minimum if they aren't already there.

[braven112]

I think they'll stay up close to there anyway especially for WR since there are so many WR on rosters.

[braven112]

I updated the spreadsheet

[braven112]

It's probably time to wrap this discussion up, and get a vote going.

Here was the last proposal we discussed.

http://dynastytheleague.com/salary/rook ... ples_4.xls

[bonscott]

Now, if I remember correctly (it's been a while) what this chart means is that whatever position I chose at my pick, that is what the salary will be, nice and simple, right?

So if I have the #4 pick and decide to draft a QB then his salary is 1.78 million but if I decide to draft a WR instead it will be 2.34 million. Correct?

So this then allows teams to perhaps draft more toward their needs vs. "I must take an RB because of the salary" type situation.

[Achon44]

That's what I was thinking.

[braven112]

Now, if I remember correctly (it's been a while) what this chart means is that whatever position I chose at my pick, that is what the salary will be, nice and simple, right?

So if I have the #4 pick and decide to draft a QB then his salary is 1.78 million but if I decide to draft a WR instead it will be 2.34 million. Correct?

So this then allows teams to perhaps draft more toward their needs vs. "I must take an RB because of the salary" type situation.

Exactly, it's been a minute since we went over this so I tried to re-read everything but it sounded like we were pretty much in agreement but we wanted to wait until the draft was complete the discussion so everyone had a better idea of what would be changed.

[LV Elite]

Now, if I remember correctly (it's been a while) what this chart means is that whatever position I chose at my pick, that is what the salary will be, nice and simple, right?

So if I have the #4 pick and decide to draft a QB then his salary is 1.78 million but if I decide to draft a WR instead it will be 2.34 million. Correct?

So this then allows teams to perhaps draft more toward their needs vs. "I must take an RB because of the salary" type situation.

Thats how I read it is as well. Good way to approach the draft now IMO..... not sure if all the salaries match up and are totally accurate, but it looks fine and there is nothing wrong with tweaking things after the next drafts in the future to resemble more accurate pictures.

[joe.commish]

Now, if I remember correctly (it's been a while) what this chart means is that whatever position I chose at my pick, that is what the salary will be, nice and simple, right?

So if I have the #4 pick and decide to draft a QB then his salary is 1.78 million but if I decide to draft a WR instead it will be 2.34 million. Correct?

So this then allows teams to perhaps draft more toward their needs vs. "I must take an RB because of the salary" type situation.

Thats how I read it is as well. Good way to approach the draft now IMO..... not sure if all the salaries match up and are totally accurate, but it looks fine and there is nothing wrong with tweaking things after the next drafts in the future to resemble more accurate pictures.

I agree. I have no issue with giving this idea a go.

[bonscott]

I wouldn't mind seeing these numbers rounded up to the nearest half million or quarter million farther down the list. So a 1st round RB pick would be a flat 5 mil vs. 4.8 mil. or a 7th round WR pick would be 1.75 mil vs. 1.6 mil. Doesn't really matter but I like nice even numbers to start out with.

[braven112]

I wouldn't mind seeing these numbers rounded up to the nearest half million or quarter million farther down the list. So a 1st round RB pick would be a flat 5 mil vs. 4.8 mil. or a 7th round WR pick would be 1.75 mil vs. 1.6 mil. Doesn't really matter but I like nice even numbers to start out with.

I like even numbers as well but IMO it isn't really necessary and adds another step to the process.

[bonscott]

I wouldn't mind seeing these numbers rounded up to the nearest half million or quarter million farther down the list. So a 1st round RB pick would be a flat 5 mil vs. 4.8 mil. or a 7th round WR pick would be 1.75 mil vs. 1.6 mil. Doesn't really matter but I like nice even numbers to start out with.

I like even numbers as well but IMO it isn't really necessary and adds another step to the process.

No biggy. However, if this passes, aren't these the salaries every year going forward? Thus we could make them whatever we want and it's static. They aren't dynamic changing every year, are they? I don't mind doing the work of rounding.

[braven112]

I wouldn't mind seeing these numbers rounded up to the nearest half million or quarter million farther down the list. So a 1st round RB pick would be a flat 5 mil vs. 4.8 mil. or a 7th round WR pick would be 1.75 mil vs. 1.6 mil. Doesn't really matter but I like nice even numbers to start out with.

I like even numbers as well but IMO it isn't really necessary and adds another step to the process.

No biggy. However, if this passes, aren't these the salaries every year going forward? Thus we could make them whatever we want and it's static. They aren't dynamic changing every year, are they? I don't mind doing the work of rounding.

That's the thing is that the numbers are dynamic, the formula would be static, now if we wanted to make the salaries static then I would be all for it. I could even probably figure out the rounding.

[bonscott]

Ahhhhhh. For some reason I missed the fact that these salaries were dynamic from year to year. That can get confusing.

Ya know, I'm thinking it would be simpler to just make these static. And then put in a clause to review it in say 2 or 3 years to see if we'd like to keep it where it is or adjust. But I'm thinking that it might be good to just lock this down for a while.

[bonscott]

We probably need to get this locked down and official, no? As the season hits the halfway point teams may be starting to have to plan to trade players so they have enough salary cap to sign rookies next year. So we need to know where we stand in terms of a rookie salary scale.

Personally I think we should take this chart, do some minor rounding up and then that is the rookie salary scale for 3 years. Every 3 years we review the numbers and adjust if needed. That way it's nice and simple and no recalculating every year.

My thoughts anyway.

[braven112]

Sounds reasonable to me, I did some rounding and extended the chart into the early 2nd round. So everyone check it out and we'll see where we stand and get a vote going from there.

http://football13.myfantasyleague.com/2 ... 28463&O=73

[Achon44]

[bonscott]

Looks good.

So are we also looking at locking this in for a few years with checks every 2-3 or so?

[joe.commish]

looks good to me.

[Devil Dogs]

Looks good to me too

[Wascawy Wabbits]

Just wondering how everyone's thoughts are towards the draft salaries and if it's something we should consider revisiting? I looked over the old thread when the draft salaries were initially done back in 2008. Since they have been in place, I thought I'd create this thread and see if anything comes of it.

Having owned the 1.01 and selecting Richardson, drafting a bust at the top of the draft can be a huge burden that not only affects you for the seasons that you own that player, but also after you drop them given the future salary cap hit. The NFL adjusted the rookie wage scales to help the teams that earned the 1.01 instead of it being as much of a salary crutch. Should we consider the same?

Maybe sliding the cost of the 1.01 a couple of slots? It seems to be a common consensus that owners prefer owning later draft picks because they aren't nearly as costly to roster. Maybe by sliding the cost of the 1.01 down a few slots, it will make it to be not feel as much of a burden on the owner of that pick? Or will it just increase the value of the later draft picks?

I paid a hefty sum a few years back to be able to draft Richardson... Brand new to The League and wanting to make a splash w/ the next Adrian Peterson. But with the cost of the 1.01, I can't see myself wanting to trade for it in any future years after crashing and burning w/ that pick.

I don't think this is something that should be done for next season, given that there have already been various moves made for 2016 picks, but if something were to come of this maybe implement an updated wage scale for 2017?

Thoughts?

[bonscott]

I certainly don't mind revisiting it, if anything to reapply the formula that came up with those salaries in the first place and see what pops up. I don't remember what Brandon did to come up with that scale to be honest, it's been too long ago and I'm old. But doing that might actually adjust the salary scale up and not down.

On the other side of the coin you see the advantage of a Julio, AJ or Dez being super cheap for a long time so it's a give and take. And sometimes you just have to take a "cap hit" year to rid yourself of bad contracts. I spent the last 2 years doing that and I'm now finally free of some bad contracts I made. Free I say!

[Achon44]

I believe the scale was based on another league I was in along with one of our original owners Rolling Rockers. He pretty much created the salary and contract system that this league runs on. As far as the question of lowering rookie salaries, so the ramifications of drafting a bust with one of the top picks aren't so steep, my answer is "Don't draft busts"

[bocious]

Thanks for starting this topic, Wascawy. Here are a couple quick thoughts based on how contracts work now in the NFL vs when our league rules were written:

• Rookie salaries are now lower than they used to be, and are mostly even regardless of position.
• All drafted NFL rookies get 4-year contracts, but teams get a 5th-year option on 1st-rounders.

Based on that, here are my suggestions:

• Make the current WR scale the one we use for all positions. This bring some salaries up and reduces others, and tapers them into the early 2nd round.
• Only 1st-rounders have 5-year contracts while 2nd- and 3rd-rounders have 4-year contracts.
• Make these changes effective next year, not this year. Too many trades for this year's 1st-rounders have already taken place.

I think these changes would make 1st round picks more valuable and bring pay scales more in line with what we see in the NFL.

[bocious]

I don't think this is something that should be done for next season, given that there have already been various moves made for 2016 picks, but if something were to come of this maybe implement an updated wage scale for 2017?

2017 makes sense to me. I'd still prefer 2016 only because I'm impatient.