Vote: Franchise Tag Compensation #2

[braven112]

Yes Vote:
Franchise Tag Compensation: Current seasons 1st and 2nd round pick.
The picks are the original draft picks from the bidder. If either original pick is not owned, the picks are the highest 1st and 2nd round pick available in the bidders inventory at the start of the tagging period (Feb 1st). When placing the bid, the bidder must also state the draft picks given up and, at that time, those picks become protected and non-tradeable until after the tag matching deadline has passed.

If the bidder does not have a 2nd round pick, then the next highest pick in their inventory above the 2nd round (i.e, a 1st round pick) For example if a bidder has 1.05 and 1.12 and no 2nd round round pick, they could still bid on a franchise player by stipulating they will give up the two 1st round picks as compensation. If they had 3 first round picks, for example 1.05, 1.12, and 1.15 and no 2nd round pick then they would have to give up 1.05 (highest first round pick or original) and 1.15 (next highest pick above the 2nd round). And so on ...

RFA#1 Tag Compensation: Current seasons 3rd round pick.
The pick is the original draft picks from the bidder. If the original pick is not owned, the highest 3rd round pick (or higher round, if necessary) available in the bidders inventory at the start of the tagging period (Feb 1st). When placing the bid, the bidder must also state the draft pick given up and, at that time, those picks become protected and non-tradeable until after the tag matching deadline has passed.

Compensatory draft picks (1.17, 2.17,2.18) can be used as compensation, but are considered one round lower. (i.e, 1.17 can be used in place of a 2nd round pick.)

No Vote:
The compensatory draft picks must be the original draft picks (or the next closest, draft pick that is higher that the original, if no longer owned) of the team that signed the tagged player.

[bonscott]

Just to note I think the following that is bolded doesn't really need to be added as the rule above it covers it. In other words if you have no 2nd round picks but you have the 1.17 then that's the next highest pick that can sub in for the 2nd rounder and that is explained in the above rule. Same for 3rds, if I have no 3rds but I have the 2.17 or 2.18 then those can be used as the next highest pick in the higher round.

So really just need the clarification statement that compensatory picks can be used as compensation, just to keep it as simple as possible.

Compensatory draft picks (1.17, 2.17,2.18) can be used as compensation, but are considered one round lower. (i.e, 1.17 can be used in place of a 2nd round pick.)

[bonscott]

Ok, so with these, the difference I see between the two are this:

YES - If a teams original pick is no longer owned then the highest pick in the round will be used.
NO - If a teams original pick is no longer owned then the next highest pick in the round will be used, but a lower one cannot.

So if a team owns 1.05, 1.12 and 1.15 and their original pick was 1.13 and no longer owned, for YES pick 1.05 would be used for tagging while with NO the 1.12 would be used for tagging. Correct?
Example #2, 1.13 is original but not owned and owner has pick 1.15. For YES 1.15 can be used for tagging, with NO 1.15 cannot be used for tagging and thus the team can't bid on a Franchise tag. Correct?
Final Example, 1.13 is original and the team owns 1.05 and 1.13. In both YES and NO 1.13 is used for tagging since it's the original pick and still owned. Correct?



The additional thing with a Yes vote is a clarification that a higher rounds picks can be used if there are no picks available (either original or higher) in that round (thus using a 1st round in place of a 2nd or a 2nd in place of a 3rd) as well as compensatory picks can be used for tagging as well. If the NO option wins here I would think this same clarification can be added by the way, no reason not too.

[yugimoto]

So I should add that my intent when submitting the approach that the commish has incorporated into this and the other rule vote was to get away from the concept of original draft picks. It should be just based on whatever draft picks you have in your inventory, regardless of whether they were your original picks or one's that you acquired over time.

If we still have to be concerned about whether or not a pick is an "original draft pick" to determine which pick to use, we start to lose some of the simplification I was hoping for.

[Wascawy Wabbits]

I'm assuming in that voting for YES is essentially the same as we have it right now?
ie - The Gronk bid w/ DD trading away his 1st round pick the prior year, but owning the 1.16 and 1.17 at the time of the tagging period and being allowed to bid?

[braven112]

I'm assuming in that voting for YES is essentially the same as we have it right now?
ie - The Gronk bid w/ DD trading away his 1st round pick the prior year, but owning the 1.16 and 1.17 at the time of the tagging period and being allowed to bid?

Both this proposal and the last proposal would have resulted in the same outcome but neither are exactly the same as we have right now.

[Cybergeek]

Just to note I think the following that is bolded doesn't really need to be added as the rule above it covers it. In other words if you have no 2nd round picks but you have the 1.17 then that's the next highest pick that can sub in for the 2nd rounder and that is explained in the above rule. Same for 3rds, if I have no 3rds but I have the 2.17 or 2.18 then those can be used as the next highest pick in the higher round.

So really just need the clarification statement that compensatory picks can be used as compensation, just to keep it as simple as possible.

Compensatory draft picks (1.17, 2.17,2.18) can be used as compensation, but are considered one round lower. (i.e, 1.17 can be used in place of a 2nd round pick.)

I think that it means that 1.17 is not considered to be a first round pick, and 2.17 and 2.18 are not considered to be second round picks for the purposes of tagging compensation. For example; if 1.17 was the highest pick that you had, it could not be used as a first round pick to bid on a Franchise player.

[braven112]

Just to note I think the following that is bolded doesn't really need to be added as the rule above it covers it. In other words if you have no 2nd round picks but you have the 1.17 then that's the next highest pick that can sub in for the 2nd rounder and that is explained in the above rule. Same for 3rds, if I have no 3rds but I have the 2.17 or 2.18 then those can be used as the next highest pick in the higher round.

So really just need the clarification statement that compensatory picks can be used as compensation, just to keep it as simple as possible.

Compensatory draft picks (1.17, 2.17,2.18) can be used as compensation, but are considered one round lower. (i.e, 1.17 can be used in place of a 2nd round pick.)

I think that it means that 1.17 is not considered to be a first round pick, and 2.17 and 2.18 are not considered to be second round picks for the purposes of tagging compensation. For example; if 1.17 was the highest pick that you had, it could not be used as a first round pick to bid on a Franchise player.

Yes that is exactly what is meant.

[Cybergeek]

I think that it means that 1.17 is not considered to be a first round pick, and 2.17 and 2.18 are not considered to be second round picks for the purposes of tagging compensation. For example; if 1.17 was the highest pick that you had, it could not be used as a first round pick to bid on a Franchise player.

Yes that is exactly what is meant.

Hence, removing the bolded selection and "clarifying" things by stating only that compensatory picks can be used as compensation would completely alter the purpose of the new rule. Gasp!