Tag Sniping

[Achon44]

Do we want to come up with something that would allow the owner who had the last bid prior to the snipe a chance to counter the offer?

[Wascawy Wabbits]

Could make the time a little more east coast friendly.

I don't really see any issues with having to sign in prior to the deadline to check and see if a bid is still the leading one, but I'm also on the west coast

[Cybergeek]

I would suggest that each bid on a tagged player is put on a clock (24 or 48 hours). If after the clock on the bid expires, no one has placed a higher bid, that team has won the bidding. Then the team holding the rights to that player can decide if they wish to match the highest bid. If a bid is still on the clock after the deadline has passed, the bidding on that player may continue until a winner is determined.

I think this type of system is much fairer than simply being the last to bid before the deadline.

[bonscott]

I would suggest that each bid on a tagged player is put on a clock (24 or 48 hours). If after the clock on the bid expires, no one has placed a higher bid, that team has won the bidding. Then the team holding the rights to that player can decide if they wish to match the highest bid. If a bid is still on the clock after the deadline has passed, the bidding on that player may continue until a winner is determined.

I think this type of system is much fairer than simply being the last to bid before the deadline.

Agreed, but clarify this clock is only for bids made in the last 24 hours before the deadline, thus giving other teams a shot at bidding with no snipe. Although I thought we already did something like this. But maybe not.

[braven112]

We did talk about this before. I'm just not sure we need to do anything. We haven't had more than one or possibly two "snipes" that I could find in our entire history. We generally don't even get into bidding wars at all.

Here is the one last year, and BTB still got the player in the end, so there is still a way (and maybe even a better way) to get the player if you are sniped.

http://www.theleague.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=1713

[Achon44]

I would suggest that each bid on a tagged player is put on a clock (24 or 48 hours). If after the clock on the bid expires, no one has placed a higher bid, that team has won the bidding. Then the team holding the rights to that player can decide if they wish to match the highest bid. If a bid is still on the clock after the deadline has passed, the bidding on that player may continue until a winner is determined.

I think this type of system is much fairer than simply being the last to bid before the deadline.

Agreed, but clarify this clock is only for bids made in the last 24 hours before the deadline, thus giving other teams a shot at bidding with no snipe. Although I thought we already did something like this. But maybe not.

I was thinking something like this could work and not add any extra headache for Commish.

[Cybergeek]

I would suggest that each bid on a tagged player is put on a clock (24 or 48 hours). If after the clock on the bid expires, no one has placed a higher bid, that team has won the bidding. Then the team holding the rights to that player can decide if they wish to match the highest bid. If a bid is still on the clock after the deadline has passed, the bidding on that player may continue until a winner is determined.

I think this type of system is much fairer than simply being the last to bid before the deadline.

Agreed, but clarify this clock is only for bids made in the last 24 hours before the deadline, thus giving other teams a shot at bidding with no snipe. Although I thought we already did something like this. But maybe not.

I would like to see a 48 hour clock applied to all bids not just those within the last day of tagged free agency. I would also like to see the owner with the rights to match a winning bid placed on a 48 hour clock starting immediately after a bid has been won. If I think that if we apply a 48 hour clock to the process, three things will happen;

1. Owners will be more engaged because they will be forced to keep track of the bidding so that they don't lose out on a free agent.

2. The fate of tagged players who were bid on would be decided quickly. Owners who miss out on their first choice of tagged players could then bid on other tagged free agents. Owners who lose a tagged player could immediately begin the process of replacing the player that they lost.

3. Last minute bidding could still take place, but the sniping bids would be eliminated as any last minute bid would still be under a 48 hour clock.

Something like this:

"Once a bid is made, it must remain the highest bid for a period of 48 hours. If a higher bid is received during this period, a new 48 hour period will begin. Teams holding the rights to a tagged player will have 48 hours following a winning bid to match the contract offered by the highest bidder."

[Wascawy Wabbits]

I would suggest that each bid on a tagged player is put on a clock (24 or 48 hours). If after the clock on the bid expires, no one has placed a higher bid, that team has won the bidding. Then the team holding the rights to that player can decide if they wish to match the highest bid. If a bid is still on the clock after the deadline has passed, the bidding on that player may continue until a winner is determined.

I think this type of system is much fairer than simply being the last to bid before the deadline.

Agreed, but clarify this clock is only for bids made in the last 24 hours before the deadline, thus giving other teams a shot at bidding with no snipe. Although I thought we already did something like this. But maybe not.

I would like to see a 48 hour clock applied to all bids not just those within the last day of tagged free agency. I would also like to see the owner with the rights to match a winning bid placed on a 48 hour clock starting immediately after a bid has been won. If I think that if we apply a 48 hour clock to the process, three things will happen;

1. Owners will be more engaged because they will be forced to keep track of the bidding so that they don't lose out on a free agent.

2. The fate of tagged players who were bid on would be decided quickly. Owners who miss out on their first choice of tagged players could then bid on other tagged free agents. Owners who lose a tagged player could immediately begin the process of replacing the player that they lost.

3. Last minute bidding could still take place, but the sniping bids would be eliminated as any last minute bid would still be under a 48 hour clock.

Something like this:

"Once a bid is made, it must remain the highest bid for a period of 48 hours. If a higher bid is received during this period, a new 48 hour period will begin. Teams holding the rights to a tagged player will have 48 hours following a winning bid to match the contract offered by the highest bidder."

I think this a great idea.
Right now if you offer early, you could basically be waiting 3 weeks to find out if you get that player or not.
This could give you multiple attempts to try and acquire players that get tagged.
Maybe just make it a 3 week offer period window instead of 2 weeks for offers and 1 week to match and use this 48hr window idea when an offer is placed?

[Cybergeek]

I think this a great idea.

Right now if you offer early, you could basically be waiting 3 weeks to find out if you get that player or not.
This could give you multiple attempts to try and acquire players that get tagged.
Maybe just make it a 3 week offer period window instead of 2 weeks for offers and 1 week to match and use this 48hr window idea when an offer is placed?

There may be some bids that last the entire period, if bidding is intense, or if the bids are continuously raised near the end of the 48 hour clock. For the most part, adding a 48 hour clock to the process will resolve most player bids in 4 or 5 days.

With a clock, you can bid and know within 48 hours if someone else has interest in the same player. You won't have to wait until the deadline to see if you were sniped or wait a week after the deadline to know if your bid has been matched.

In my opinion, having the bids resolved in this manner would be an invaluable tool for ownership.

[Wascawy Wabbits]

I think this a great idea.

Right now if you offer early, you could basically be waiting 3 weeks to find out if you get that player or not.
This could give you multiple attempts to try and acquire players that get tagged.
Maybe just make it a 3 week offer period window instead of 2 weeks for offers and 1 week to match and use this 48hr window idea when an offer is placed?

There may be some bids that last the entire period, if bidding is intense, or if the bids are continuously raised near the end of the 48 hour clock. For the most part, adding a 48 hour clock to the process will resolve most player bids in 4 or 5 days.

With a clock, you can bid and know within 48 hours if someone else has interest in the same player. You won't have to wait until the deadline to see if you were sniped or wait a week after the deadline to know if your bid has been matched.

In my opinion, having the bids resolved in this manner would be an invaluable tool for ownership.

I would think that if you did open bidding, or outbid the previously highest bidder, using the "Email League" option under Communications in MFL to notify everyone that the clock is starting (or resetting) would be a mandatory step.

I'd vote in favour of this if it goes to a vote.

[Cybergeek]

I would think that if you did open bidding, or outbid the previously highest bidder, using the "Email League" option under Communications in MFL to notify everyone that the clock is starting (or resetting) would be a mandatory step.

I'd vote in favour of this if it goes to a vote.

Not to sound cutthroat or anything, but I would say that it would be up to each owner to decide how engaged they wish to be. If I placed a bid, you better believe that I would find the time to check and see if I was outbid. If an owner can't find the time to check in after submitting a bid, maybe they shouldn't get the player. A new 48 hour clock would start if you were outbid, so at a minimum, to be safe, all we would have to do is check in 48 hours after submitting a bid.

[Cybergeek]

I would suggest that each bid on a tagged player is put on a clock (24 or 48 hours). If after the clock on the bid expires, no one has placed a higher bid, that team has won the bidding. Then the team holding the rights to that player can decide if they wish to match the highest bid. If a bid is still on the clock after the deadline has passed, the bidding on that player may continue until a winner is determined.

I think this type of system is much fairer than simply being the last to bid before the deadline.

Agreed, but clarify this clock is only for bids made in the last 24 hours before the deadline, thus giving other teams a shot at bidding with no snipe. Although I thought we already did something like this. But maybe not.

I would like to see a 48 hour clock applied to all bids not just those within the last day of tagged free agency. I would also like to see the owner with the rights to match a winning bid placed on a 48 hour clock starting immediately after a bid has been won. If I think that if we apply a 48 hour clock to the process, three things will happen;

1. Owners will be more engaged because they will be forced to keep track of the bidding so that they don't lose out on a free agent.

2. The fate of tagged players who were bid on would be decided quickly. Owners who miss out on their first choice of tagged players could then bid on other tagged free agents. Owners who lose a tagged player could immediately begin the process of replacing the player that they lost.

3. Last minute bidding could still take place, but the sniping bids would be eliminated as any last minute bid would still be under a 48 hour clock.

Something like this:

"Once a bid is made, it must remain the highest bid for a period of 48 hours. If a higher bid is received during this period, a new 48 hour period will begin. Teams holding the rights to a tagged player will have 48 hours following a winning bid to match the contract offered by the highest bidder."

Any thoughts from the rest of the league?

[bonscott]

Not really into that myself. I like it more simple in that once we get to the end there is a rolling 24 hour clock from the last bid, thus prevents shiping which is the problem. Honestly, I actually thought we had been doing that anyway but I guess not.

[braven112]

I'm not really into it either. Mostly because I don't see sniping as problem so I have a hard time getting excited about fixing something that hasn't been a problem in the past.

It's possible our changes to the RFA tags could make it come up more often. The changes we made there were designed to generate a little more action on these players. I'm open to keeping an eye on this and seeing how the this tagging periods work out.

[Cybergeek]

I really didn't post my idea solely as an anti-sniping remedy. I have used this method for tagged free agency for 10 years and thought that others in the league might consider it as an option. It just happens to also eliminate sniping.

[bonscott]

Sniping is certainly an issue, I don't like it at all. Especially if I have to try to stay up until midnight for it, which I won't do. But no matter when you have the deadline there will always be a sniping aspect and not everyone is available to be on at a deadline no matter when you make it. Thus why a rolling 24 hours or something at the end makes sense.

I personally don't want a rolling clock for the whole tagging period. It doesn't add anything and requires everyone to be online every day and manually check the forums. I guess it's no different then during the auction if you get down to it, but it really isn't needed in my book as it doesn't add anything "fun" to the process.

Off the top of my head I'd say make bidding on tags for 10 days, 15th-25th. Starting that last day you have a rolling 24 hour clock on any bids and this gives us some room to complete the bidding by or around March 1st without pushing any other dates out.

[bocious]

Sniping is certainly an issue, I don't like it at all. Especially if I have to try to stay up until midnight for it, which I won't do. But no matter when you have the deadline there will always be a sniping aspect and not everyone is available to be on at a deadline no matter when you make it. Thus why a rolling 24 hours or something at the end makes sense.

I personally don't want a rolling clock for the whole tagging period. It doesn't add anything and requires everyone to be online every day and manually check the forums. I guess it's no different then during the auction if you get down to it, but it really isn't needed in my book as it doesn't add anything "fun" to the process.

Off the top of my head I'd say make bidding on tags for 10 days, 15th-25th. Starting that last day you have a rolling 24 hour clock on any bids and this gives us some room to complete the bidding by or around March 1st without pushing any other dates out.

I'd be up for this... but not this year because now I plan on sniping the crap out of people. Lol!